From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 14:31:34 -0700
Fwd Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 19:57:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Solved Abduction cases?


>Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 13:25:31 -0500 (CDT)
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net> [Dennis Stacy]
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Solved Abduction cases?

>>From: nick@emailme.at.address.below (Nick Humphries)
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Solved Abduction cases?
>>Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 13:06:57 GMT


>There's an Australian abduction case --maybe someone, Chris R., can supply a
>citation -- in which a woman, I believe, claimed to be being abducted while,
>at the time, she was actually sitting in a car seat next to one of the
>investigators. Seems unlikely ET was invovled in that one!

How do you know the investigator's perceptions were "unbroken?"
That there wasn't a lapse of consciousness in which the abductee
was gone?  And, although I hate to be so metaphysical with this
particular audience (Wait a sec, while I don my flame-proof
suit), there certainly have been experiences, not necessarily
within the abduction arena, where people experienced two
simultaneous versions of "reality."

No, wait, here's one from the abduction arena: I do seem to
recall an experience of Betty Luca in which she saw herself lying
on a couch, paging through a magazine at the end of an abduction
experience, meaning that perhaps the ETs had somehow fragmented
her consciousness/body in such a way that she was two places at
once.

Need I remind everyone that there is much about these events that
is extremely multidimensional-seeming, and since none of us knows
much about that, we're hardly in a position to comment on what's
possible (or even likely) or not.  If you're going to insist on
these events maintaining strict adherence to traditional physics,
you're in the wrong business.

Budd Hopkins has a case, from Australia I believe, in which a
woman and her son were abducted right out of a park, "in plain
sight" of many people, including the woman's husband who was
taking her picture at the time. (It's an interesting picture,
full of red haziness.)  And Linda Cortile's family has
experienced similar events.  (And, no, I can't prove any of this
happened, and probably neither can Budd, so get off my case!)

I raise all this because your assumption that "ET involvement
seems unlikely," is not all that certain a proposition.

>if so inclined, one could chart the experience as a straight
>line moving from left (Sighting) to right (Release) with other
>discrete events (Capture, Examination, Tour, etc {Bullard's eight
>stages]) at other points along the line.

OK, but your objection is based on the assumption that line is
traveling across only the surface of one dimension.  What if it
"travels" through to another space-time (or even to points
outside of space-time entirely)? Then any number of possibilities
open up.

>It won't come as a great revelation here, but there is an awful lot
>about abductions that don't make sense.

Doesn't make sense to our traditional ways of understanding
things.  But obviously we're going to have to expand our thinking
a little bit. ;-)

>For example, if alien technology is so advanced (the ability to
>hover invisibly, beam people through solid objects, etc.), why are
>the aliens' medical procedures so little advanced by comparison?
>Why have to abduct so many people (if the numbers claimed have
>any validity) to obtain sperm and ova samples? Seems to me if you
>could beam an entire body up, you could simply beam up the sperm
>without anyone being the wiser. Fact is, we seem further along the
>artificial insemination and gene manipulation areas of technology
>than the aliens allegedly are. It's rather as if we were to land men
>on Mars while still trying to send signals back to Earth by
>reflecting sunlight off mirrors.

Obviously they need physical biological substances to create the
hybrids, or they would just cobble up some computer code and
"replicate" the substance in the microwave or something.  There's
a great deal about these experiences that also suggests that the
interaction with humans is very much as important as the physical
"exams" and the physical creation of the hybrids.  I would remind
you that this is clearly not an experiment, as we think of that
process.  These people know what they are doing and they are
doing it on an *extremely large scale*.  Therefore, I don't think
they are "gathering samples."  They are gathering genetic
code/product, apparently for the purpose of creating a hybrid
race.

Why would they do that, gather such quantities/such diversity of
"samples?"  Well, you don't have to go very far in our literature
to find a hint of this.  Check out The Tower of Babel story.
Something, and perhaps "the language" being referred to in that
story was that of genetics, was scattered all over.  There were
then "many voices." I strongly suspect the Greys are reassembling
those fragments into one cohesive code, one language.  In a very
real sense, I don't think they are creating a human-Grey hybrid
race.  They are creating a former human-Grey hybrid race, which
might be something else altogether.

I can't imagine how you assume that we are further along in
genetic research and artificial insemination than the Greys are.
Unless you know a lot more about the genetic work being done by
the Greys than I do, and the difficulties therein (which I
suspect are many), then you are hardly in a position to comment
on it.



>Don't make no sense, I say.

That's why they call them aliens! ;-)


Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>