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Re: Witness Anonymity

From: "Julianne Presson" <earthwrk@doitnow.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:50:17 -0700
Fwd Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 19:51:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Witness Anonymity

> From: HONEYBE100@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 03:04:48 -0400 (EDT)
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: Witness Anonymity

> >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:55:18 -0500 (CDT)
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Witness Anonymity

> >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:17:15 -0400
> >From: BOB SHELL <76750.2717@compuserve.com>
> >Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Witness Anonymity
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net

> Bob Shell wrote:

> >Yes, it is true that Budd used your real name in his presentation
> >in San Marino this year.  I was in the audience at the time.

> >Whether it was a slipup, or he just thought it didn't matter in an
> >overseas presentation, I don't know.  Budd was somewhat tired
> >at the time, I think.

> >There was no reaction from the audience when he did it, and no
> >indication on his part that he noticed it.  I think it passed as an
> >unremarkable event.

> Dennis Stacey wrote:

> >Then I submit that my own inadvertent use of Linda's real last
> >name in a book published in England, for which I received much flak
> >here, be accorded the same status - that of "an unremarkable event"
> > as I, too, was tired.

> Slipping up verbally and knowingly publishing my real name are two
> different cases.  Whether it was a remarkable or unremarkable event,
> is irrelevant.  Am I to believe that you feel free to use my family name
> no matter how I feel about it?

Slipping up verbally...sorry no cigar on the excuse making here. Bud
Hopkins has no excuse for "slipping up verbally" as he bills himself as a
professional. A professional does NOT make such mistakes. It is CALLED
"Ethical Behavior" in the field of Human Services.

If you do not want anyone knowing who you are WHY did you use your real
name in the first place. You did it to yourself. So stop blaming everyone
else for your problems. The sooner you stop being the "victim" here the
sooner you can get on with life. Although there are "perks" to being a
"victim" all the time. You do not have to take responsibility for ANY of
your actions or the decisions you make regarding yourself or your minor

> >More recently, there are rumors that Honey Bee is reportedly un-
> >happy with a videotape of her son shown at another out-of-country
> >UFO Symposium by parties unnamed here, one in which her son
> >reportedly identifies Javier Perez de Cuellar as the man who gave
> >him the fabulous brass diving helmet.  Maybe Our Lady of the Sands
> >could enlighten us further as to her present position on this matter?
> >Maybe she could even tel us who might have been responsible for the
> >distribution of said video?

> No Dennis...you have it all wrong.  This is what has happened:

> A video tape which was made of my son, relating to the diver's helmet
> he had received from the "Third Man," was taped for research
> purposes, only.

If you did not want your son's face out there you should NOT have allowed
him to be filmed by anyone. Who is the researcher you allowed to film your

> My son was nine years old.  In turn, this video tape
> was given to a trusted colleague "in strict confidence" for his files, or
> archives.  I found out about two weeks ago that this video tape was
> sold to a foreign TV show equivalent to our 20/20 or 48 hours and it was
> also shown here in the U.S.  In other words, my younger son's privacy
> has been sold.   I've successfully protected my family's identities all
> of these years, but all in vain.  I saw the tape, and there was my son,
> full faced.

You gave permission for your son to be filmed. I guess you will know better
next time around.

> No one contacted me to ask for my permission, nor did I sign a release
> (which, of course, I wouldn't do).  So, FCC laws have been ignored, as
> well.
> My son is a minor!!  This particular video tape should not have been
> viewed anywhere.  Now my son's little round face is out there.

Yes your son is a minor and YOU are the "adult" who gave permission for him
to be filmed. Sorry you are the one who is responsible here for him being
on the film in the first place. Had you said NO he would not be on the

> Am I unhappy, Dennis?   No.  I'm furious and I will get to the bottom of
> this disgusting event.  And when I do, a lot of heads are going to roll.
> It's one thing for an adult to fight for his/her privacy, but when this
> happens to a child, especially mine,  it's a different matter.

Oh PLEASE.....get out of the "victim role" for a minute and ask yourself
why you would allow ANYONE involved with abduction research to film YOUR
minor child???
"Own your own" and get over it. You did not have to allow your child to be

> It seems to me that, money rules.  A little boy was sold out.

YES and Budd Hopkins brings in his share of that money for himself. Sorry
Hopkins is NO Saint. Why people would allow someone who uses the faulty
hypnosis modality he uses on them or their kids is beyond me. I have seen
him in action on Discovery Channel and he would be better served to spend a
few years getting some education and practical experience. His showing
pictures of grays to kids under 7 years old and then uses hypnosis on them
that is suggestive at the least and invalidates any data gathered in the

Now have one of your temper tantrums over this message. Frankly your
continued "horn blowing" in this List about everyone taking advantage of
you is getting boring. This is NOT a therapy group, it is a mailing list.

If a person REALLY wants to stay behind the scenes they do NOT stand on top
of the tallest building and blow a big "horn". In other words your actions
do NOT match your words Linda. You are here in everyone's face on a "pity
pot" expecting everyone to enable you staying on it. Well you know what
they say about "pity pots" they back up on you after awhile because they
get to full. Your "pity pot" backed up a long time ago, it is time to get
off of it.

Good Day Linda,


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