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Re: Questions for abductees

From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:13:22 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 18:45:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Questions for abductees


>Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:43:41 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Questions for abductees

>>Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:03:11 -0700
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Questions for abductees


>>>Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:36:18 -0500
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Questions for abductees

>>>>From: "R.Bull" <RAB@cadcentre.co.uk> [Rob Bull]
>>>>To: "'UFO UpDates'" <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>>Subject: Questions for abductees
>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Sep 97 15:41:00 BST

John,

OK, now I see where you are coming from.  Still/but...

> but
>the need to assure the individual that they are not 'going crazy' or
>'unique' far outwieghs any negative arguements against it as far as I'm
concerned. The fact remains that hundreds (maybe thousands) of individuals
have been having unexplainable experiences all of their lives...The first
reaction I had (and a great many have) to the discovery that these
experiences may be tied to UFO's and their occupants was to immediately
question my sanity. That's not a fun place to be in. When an individual is
in such a state of self doubt it is tremendously comforting to know that
you are not alone,

John, I'm an experiencer too, and I've been through "The Process" (whatever
that is...I'm not sure anyone's defined it very well and it may vary from
person to person).  While I was lucky enough to have other experiencers in
my life when I went through the early stages of this process, one thing
that drove *me* crazy was the fact that my experiences didn't always fit
the mold.  Some weren't Greys...some involved other things, some involved
Greys but not in the usual scenario.  Had I gone through this process after
most of the abduction literature had been published, rather than before, I
would have been even more confused.

I'm not alone in this.  Most of the Grey abductees I know (and that's
plenty), are having other kinds of encounters too.  If we are exposed to
the textbook abduction at this juncture, then we're likely to disown those
other experiences.  Some of those experiences may, in the long run, be even
more important than the Grey ones.

I do know that acceptance of the experience, a belief in one's own
perceptions, even while understanding that some of those perceptions might
be "manufactured," this is the essence of "the process."  To be exposed to
other people's experiences prematurely invites a sort of glossing-over of
one's own unique experience.  A key component of "The Process" has to be
discovery.  And this idea has been shunted aside in all the abduction
literature.  There is something really miraculous taking place here --
whatever you think the alien's agenda.  This process of discovery is one of
the main benefits of the experience, I would say (I know some would argue
that the experience is too sinister to contain this opportunity, but I
would disagree <g>).

I would not trade the good luck that I came to many realizations, memories
and whatnot and only later discovered that many other people had similar
experiences and feelings.  This was the best of all possible scenarios.  I
was able to sort out my own self first, but *then* feel that
support/camraderie that comes from the shared experience.  (I've never done
hypnosis for these experiences, which some of the well-known researchers
would say automatically disqualifies me from understanding anything about
what has occured -- something that burns me no end, I can assure you...)

>If she
>_is_ having similar experiences what better way to find out than by
>comparing notes with the reports of many abductees. If she's not, then
she'll know right away whether she should begin exploring other
>explanations or avenues.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!  This is exactly what I was warning about, John.  Her
*dissimilar* experiences may be quite valid!  You are assuming that because
she doesn't experience the typical scenario in some/many respects, that she
hasn't experienced what she reports she has.  She is likely, if she's like
everyone else I know, to have "anomalous" experiences, even within the
realm of abduction.  DO NOT encourage her to disown this.  This will result
in a loss of self-esteem, a mistrust of her own perceptions, and will be
exactly the worst thing that can occur.

Anyone working with this person, if they have any kind of social work
background and even if they don't, should be able to determine if the
abductee is suffering a psychotic break -- that would be apparent from her
daily behavior and would not be confined to a single episode, like an
abduction.  Having elimanated that possibility, I'm not sure what others
there are.  (I know some would argue mind control experiments, neurological
effects like sleep paralysis, human/military abduction...and I won't get
into *that* argument here.)

That leaves the single possibility that she has, in fact, had an anomalous
experience (although it is most unhelpful to consider it that, for all the
obvious reasons).  So, let her live with that awhile.  I'm not saying don't
have her talk to other abductees...perhaps that's a good idea.  Just keep
her away from the researchers, is all I'm saying. ;-)
>
 The pattern that is
>associated with abduction is fairly narrow and specific. You either are,
or you aren't having similar experiences.

We'd have to quibble a lot about the definitions of "specific" and
"similar."  And, alas, you'd have to define "abduction."  This sounds
absurd, I know, but I've found myself onboard a craft/inside an
installation under conditions that might not be correctly termed,
"abduction."  At least, I don't.

John, to sum up here, I do feel for the newbie abductee...I've been there.
I think the main thing is to allow them to talk, give them a forum to
explore and digest, draw them out further if possible -- just like a good
psychologist would do.  But this is a far cry from having other abductees
or "The Textbook" inform them of exactly what has occurred, and in what
order.  Let them discover for themselves and then everyone will learn.



Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>




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