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Re: Christianity Online The Truth is Out There

From: Sean Jones <tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:05:25 +0100
Fwd Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 10:07:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Christianity Online The Truth is Out There

>Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:23:42 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@ucs.orst.edu>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Christianity Online The Truth is Out There

>> From: RSchatte@aol.com [Rebecca]
>> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:33:37 -0400 (EDT)
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> Subject: Christianity Online "The Truth is Out There

>>             The Truth is Out There
>> The X-Files gives us tons of paranormal thrills anc chills. But

>Hello All,

>This posting by Rebecca may at first seem offensive or irrelevant for this
>List.  But on second thought, it reminds us that our views on the UFO
>phenomenon are heavily colored by our particular religious or
>philosophical beliefs, or lack of them.  If each us on the list had an
>honest summary of their religious/philosophical beliefs archived in some
>auxiliary file associated with UFO Updates, then from time to time we
>could each look up the other's belief system to see where they're coming
>from.  But as stated, that's an impossible IF.

Hello Jim

The world is full of IF's.

>It would seem that Rebecca S. is in considerable or strong support of the
>views of the article's writer, Chris Lutes.  If so, this implies either a
>belief in the devil or a disbelief in the paranormal events involved in
>UFO abductions/contacts, or both.  That is, aliens who communicate via
>mental telepathy, who can levitate themselves and their victims, who can
>pass through material walls, etc., are then to be dismissed as fictions of
>the imagination or of some psychological disease, or else to be attributed
>to the works of the devil.  Obviously, one's beliefs on such matters will
>be of overriding importance in coming to any decision on the validity of
>the witness's experiences and supportive evidence.

>Similarly, if one is either a Jew or a Christian with strong acceptance of
>the Old Testament, he/she will not likely wish to make a link between
>"pillars of fire," "pillars of cloud," "sky chariots," being carried "up
>by a whirlwind into heaven" ... and UFOs.  That's because it would mean
>that the God of the Hebrew Scriptures had only been an ET -- one with the
>title of El -- and had not been true God, which would be a great
>blasphemy.  This is not withstanding the books by Barry Downing, Joe
>Lewels and others on the topic.  And so a ufologist with such beliefs may
>well not be interested in investigating UFO cases that date back into
>previous centuries.  He/she may then not even be willing to look into UFO
>cases involving sightings of, or interactions with, aliens.

>Similarly, even a strictly New Testament Christian will not likely wish to
>give any credence to witnesses who report having had an out-of-body
>experience connected with a UFO-entity, or to having been informed of
>reality of reincarnation and thus talking like a New Ager.  This is
>despite numerous books on case studies of the latter topic by Ian
>Stevenson and by numerous hypno-therapists.  Such beliefs could even lead
>one to question the reality of the resurrection as opposed to the
>possibility of survival of the crucifixion -- a great heresy for
>Christians.  And so such ufologists may be incapable of exploring some UFO
>abductions in depth.

I disagree, I myself am a "born-again" Christian and I am also a UFO
researcher. I do see where you are coming from but my viewpoint is
different from the one that you project. I have always said,"where in
the bible does it say that God _only_ created life here on Earth?

It does'nt.

As for other phenomenom, if you read the scriptures quoted you will find
that the bible is indeed full of stories far more "way out" than most of
the "true tales" that we hear of today.

>So I see a lot of relevance for ufology in Rebecca's posting.

So do I but when I read it, and reread it I could'nt think of something
immideately to say so I thought that I would stew on it untill something
more than a gut reaction crept to the surface of my brain.

>Jim Deardorff

Finally to believe in God means automatic acceptance that the devil
exists. BUT as to his form......

        There are things in the universe billions of years
        older than our human race. They are vast, they are
        timeless. If they are aware of us at all we are of
        no more consequence to them as ants are to us.
                Sean Jones

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