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Re: Questions for abductees

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:43:41 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:21:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Questions for abductees

>Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:03:11 -0700
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Questions for abductees


>>Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:36:18 -0500
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Questions for abductees

>>>From: "R.Bull" <RAB@cadcentre.co.uk> [Rob Bull]
>>>To: "'UFO UpDates'" <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>Subject: Questions for abductees
>>>Date: Mon, 29 Sep 97 15:41:00 BST

>>You may want to check out a copy of Dave Jacobs book, "Secret
>>Lives" for a listing of commonly reported phenomena or, you can
>>e-mail me and I'll send you a copy of the 52 question diagnostic
>>(that is also available on the web.)

Hello Skye, hi All,

Skye responds,

>John, the reason I objected before to this line of attack (so to speak) is
>that you do *not* want to have a standardized abduction scenario at your
>side while you are investigating a case.  You will automatically find
>yourself categorizing details by the established way of looking at things,
>thereby missing the opportunity to understand *new* information and
>perceptions.

I come from a human services background Skye, my primary concern is always
for the individual and only secondarily to research. I agree, there is a
certain amount of 'perpetuation' of certain details that takes place but
the need to assure the individual that they are not 'going crazy' or
'unique' far outwieghs any negative arguements against it as far as I'm
concerned.

The fact remains that hundreds (maybe thousands) of individuals have been
having unexplainable experiences all of their lives and as it turns out,
many of these unusual recollections are shared by others. The first
reaction I had (and a great many have) to the discovery that these
experiences may be tied to UFO's and their occupants was to immediately
question my sanity. That's not a fun place to be in.

When an individual is in such a state of self doubt it is tremendously
comforting to know that you are not alone, (that very same knowledge is
also discomforting as well but that's another conversation) and that others
too are experiencing/reporting the very same phenomena. That's where I'm
coming from when I provide the kind of information that I did for Rob. I am
thinking of that poor soul on the other end of these e-mails who -may be-
suffering quietly in her head troubled and tormented by self doubt. If she
_is_ having similar experiences what better way to find out than by
comparing notes with the reports of many abductees. If she's not, then
she'll know right away whether she should begin exploring other
explanations or avenues.

My only concern is for the ladys well being, research, if it happens, is
secondary. Whether some are comfortable with it or not there _are_ many
'standard' features that are associated with abduction. The pattern that is
associated with abduction is fairly narrow and specific. You either are, or
you aren't having similar experiences. It is not as 'grey' (no pun
intended) an area as some would think. Information such as I provided has a
two-fold advantage as I see it. It helps in terms of diagnostics and it can
provide some immediate relief to those who are questioning their own sanity.

You guys can argue "protocols" and "standardization" and "research methods"
I just wanted to tend to the lady. If I broke any rules or stepped on any
toes it was unintentional. I have been working closely with a large number
of people who find themselves in that same boat. I have become sensitive to
the needs of those in the full throes of first discovery (making the
connection between their memories and experiences and UFO's and abduction)
that I have come to react like an old prize fighter. Rob rang the 'bell'
and I jumped into my stance and headed into the ring. <G> No matter that it
may turn out to be a false alarm, the important thing is to respond when
it's a human being on the other end. 'People' must be attended to first, we
can debate 'concepts' later.

>Many abductees have vehemently objected to this kind of approach in the
>past, and we will continue to do so!

I agree Skye, a lot of stereotypes and such can have been created and
continue to be perpetuated but like I said, I was only thinking of the
lady. I'm not a 'researcher' I don't respond like one. I _am_ a 'human' and
one that is highly skilled at working with folks in crisis situations, I
responded to a humans need. I hope that the material I provided to Rob
proves helpful, whether it's "the right thing to have done" or not in terms
of research protocols _under these circumstances_ is a secondary matter
(to me) as I have stated.

Peace,

John Velez, Eye yam 1 - 2




                              John Velez
                          jvif@spacelab.net





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